{"id":1862,"date":"2019-02-14T09:36:01","date_gmt":"2019-02-14T14:36:01","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/groundbasedspacematters.com\/?p=1862"},"modified":"2019-02-14T09:36:01","modified_gmt":"2019-02-14T14:36:01","slug":"where-is-outer-space","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/groundbasedspacematters.com\/index.php\/2019\/02\/14\/where-is-outer-space\/","title":{"rendered":"Where is Outer Space?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1686\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/groundbasedspacematters.com\/index.php\/2018\/11\/14\/comstac-views-on-continuing-supervision-under-article-vi-of-the-outer-space-treaty\/astronaut-708530_1280\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/groundbasedspacematters.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/astronaut-708530_1280.jpg?fit=1280%2C1280&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1280,1280\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"astronaut-708530_1280\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/groundbasedspacematters.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/astronaut-708530_1280.jpg?fit=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/groundbasedspacematters.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/astronaut-708530_1280.jpg?fit=688%2C688&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-1686 alignleft\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/groundbasedspacematters.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/astronaut-708530_1280.jpg?resize=264%2C264&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"264\" height=\"264\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/groundbasedspacematters.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/astronaut-708530_1280.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/groundbasedspacematters.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/astronaut-708530_1280.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/groundbasedspacematters.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/astronaut-708530_1280.jpg?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/groundbasedspacematters.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/astronaut-708530_1280.jpg?resize=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/groundbasedspacematters.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/astronaut-708530_1280.jpg?resize=800%2C800&amp;ssl=1 800w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/groundbasedspacematters.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/astronaut-708530_1280.jpg?resize=400%2C400&amp;ssl=1 400w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/groundbasedspacematters.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/astronaut-708530_1280.jpg?resize=619%2C619&amp;ssl=1 619w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/groundbasedspacematters.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/astronaut-708530_1280.jpg?w=1280&amp;ssl=1 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 264px) 100vw, 264px\" \/>I did not make it to the Galloway Symposium in December 2018 because of a travel conflict. I clearly missed an excellent presentation on scientific considerations of where outer space is.\u00a0 Dr. Jonathan McDowell of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics presented his paper <a href=\"http:\/\/planet4589.org\/space\/papers\/Edge.pdf\"><strong>The Edge of Space: Revisiting the Von Karman Line.<\/strong><\/a>\u00a0 Looking at the inner edge of space from historical, physical and technological viewpoints, he proposes 80 kilometers as a more appropriate boundary than the currently popular 100 km Von Karman line.<\/p>\n<p>In his presentation at the Galloway, he prepared <a href=\"http:\/\/iislweb.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/01\/McDowell_GallowaySymposium2018.pdf\"><strong>some excellent slides<\/strong><\/a> (with cool pictures) laying out the history and logic for his proposal.\u00a0 In the slides, he concludes that:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>1) Elliptical orbit satellites can sustain perigees of 80-90 km but not 70 km<\/p>\n<p>2) Lifting vehicles (airplanes, balloons) can operate up to 50 km or so but not 55 km<\/p>\n<p>3) The effective Karman line (gravity force = aerodynamic force)is between 65 and 90 km depending on time, latitude and satellite properties, and is about 77 km for the \u2018most typical\u2019 values<\/p>\n<p>4) The natural physical boundary region is the mesosphere from 50 to (85-100) km or so. The stratopause is at about 50 km, the mesopause varies with time and latitude<\/p>\n<p>Reijnen\u2019s \u201cmesospace\u201d, Sgobba\u2019s \u201cnear space\u201d, Pelton\u2019s \u201cprotozone\u201d should therefore be located in the physical mesosphere<\/p>\n<p>The USAF were right! 80 km (50 miles) is a good dividing line, perhaps with a transitional protozone or \u2018mesozone\u2019 underneath it extending from 50 or 65 km to 80 or 90 km.<\/p>\n<p>I propose that \u2013 for *scientific* purposes:<\/p>\n<p>Geodetic heights up to 50 km are \u2018air\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Geodetic heights above 80 km are \u2018space\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Geodetic heights from 50 to 80 km are the \u2018protozone\u2019 or \u2018mesozone\u2019<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Check it out.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I did not make it to the Galloway Symposium in December 2018 because of a travel conflict. 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